Jan Levine: Game 12: MTL 5 NYR 4, Same mistakes on display again in loss Saturday Nightmarish first period leads to defeat

Jan Levine: Game 12: MTL 5 NYR 4, Same mistakes on display again in loss Saturday
Nightmarish first period leads to defeat
- airjan23

Totally agree about RNH. I’ve read that he has had off Ice issues which would be magnified in NYC. Kreider is a guy I’d hate to trade. I think expectations on him are unfair, and he’s Definately part of a good young core. We really need to figure out what we’re doing with Nash after this season. If he’s not in future plans, he’s the one that should be shopped. Also should shop Smith. I’ve said since we signed him I thought that was a mistake. Would much rather have DeAngelo in lineup every night. Holden needs to go too. That’s a no brainer.

Jan Levine: Game 12: MTL 5 NYR 4, Same mistakes on display again in loss Saturday
Nightmarish first period leads to defeat
- airjan23

Buffalo vs Rangers out door game will sure be a spectacle.

I dont mind the shopping of Kreider at this point, nobody should feel safe and secure after recent play. However, if we are trading with Oilers, I don't want RNH coming back. A deal involving Kreider and Jesse Puljujarvi would be most interesting!
McDavid and Kreider together on the same line has to have Edmonton fans feeling dreamy.
Like Jan and many others have stated, SOMETHING has to happen, lets hope its not something STUPID!

... and the Rangers vs. Buffalo outdoor game could possibly become the lowest t.v rated outdoor game ever on National television, and played in front of much less than a full house! I guess a jinx was bound to happen for the Rangers (despite being the road team always in outdoor games in N.Y.), with that house being the home of the Mets, after their disaster of a 2017 season.

Rangers post game is just lip service, this team has been all talk, they start the same every game, Mac is not a good leader if he can't get through to 1 teammate, it really doesn't matter when they've clearly quit on the coach who is so horrible he can't find a way to get them to come out and compete after 6 embarrassing losses, not one loss has been a well played game that they just came up short, every loss has been more grotesque than the last and it's not going to stop, he should've been fired in May then again a couple of weeks ago, this season is over if he isn't fired

I dont mind the shopping of Kreider at this point, nobody should feel safe and secure after recent play. However, if we are trading with Oilers, I don't want RNH coming back. A deal involving Kreider and Jesse Puljujarvi would be most interesting!
McDavid and Kreider together on the same line has to have Edmonton fans feeling dreamy.
Like Jan and many others have stated, SOMETHING has to happen, lets hope its not something STUPID!
- TommyGTrain

That's who I was thinking too

That's who I was thinking too
- KreiderBomb

He's struggled a little since joining the Oilers, so that's a little concerning.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Nash, and if you guys are sellers at the deadline he would be essentially the only player of value thats on his final year UFA. As for Nuge, not sure you guys would want that contract. He has played a responsible game but really appears to be a decent 3rd Centre, struggle offensively in a top pairing role. Strome hasn't looked good at all this season. Slow, and just cycles the puck. I think the oilers are seriously regretting that trade. If you guys are shopping Kreider around, hopefully you can bring in a quality prospect like PULJUJÄRVI and his 2 years remaining on his entry contract.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Nash, and if you guys are sellers at the deadline he would be essentially the only player of value thats on his final year UFA. As for Nuge, not sure you guys would want that contract. He has played a responsible game but really appears to be a decent 3rd Centre, struggle offensively in a top pairing role. Strome hasn't looked good at all this season. Slow, and just cycles the puck. I think the oilers are seriously regretting that trade. If you guys are shopping Kreider around, hopefully you can bring in a quality prospect like PULJUJÄRVI and his 2 years remaining on his entry contract.
- bikeguy99

With James Dolan's current Knicks team, he does not want to also see MSG void of any Rangers playoff games as well. That's where the worry comes in with him possibly demanding Gorton to make something happen at once, before it's too late.
That immediate thing MUST ONLY BE, IN KEY, replacing A.V., Arniel, and possibly Ruff, who appears lost as well here, unless it is due to him being with A.V. & Arniel behind the bench. The players are at a loss under A.V. now. One or two big trades are not going to repair the issues here, and can greater instead, set this franchise back for another 5 years minimum, should it involve dealing their top future players here, or also including top picks or prospects in exchange.
When's enough, enough, with A.V. and Arniel here? Since their 37-18-1 peak of last season after their 6th straight season's high win on Feb. 13th, the team went 11-10-5 for its balance. With this one's horrible 3-7-2 start, they are now 14-17-7 since last Feb. 13th, for only 14 wins in their last 38 regular season games.
Last season's Eastern 2nd Wild Card spot required 95 points. If assuming 96 points will be the minimum this postseason, and should the Rangers match last season's 6 OTL's, (although on a pace currently for 14 OTL's), that would require them going 42-24-4 in their final 70 games. That's not happening under this coaching staff, in addition to Gorton not doing his job well enough either, especially with the holes at center.
If a coaching staff change is made immediately, but does not dramatically improve their playoff hopes come December 1st, then a gradual season's sell off through the trade deadline must follow immediately thereafter, with as close to a possible TOTAL YOUNG REBUILD being the plan.

- tomburton99

go on tommy boy. You don't like the idea of a prospect over Nuge?

Jan Levine: Game 12: MTL 5 NYR 4, Same mistakes on display again in loss Saturday
Nightmarish first period leads to defeat
- airjan23

Tough to blame Pavalec for last night, not that you did Jan, I was just generalizing. But he rebound control is less than idea. The 4th goal was a prime example. But again ,tough to lay all the blame on him when he was getting out-shot 33-16, with no defensive effort in front of him. It's amazing that with the departure of Dan Girardi and Derek Stepan, that Ryan Mcdoangh has seemingly forgotten how to play hockey. Yet here we are.

As for anyone who believe this season for the Rangers, here are a couple of sites that might mildly entertain you.

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl
http://nhllotterysimulator.com/

Note: NHL Lottery Simulator is little less in quality.

Rangers post game is just lip service, this team has been all talk, they start the same every game, Mac is not a good leader if he can't get through to 1 teammate, it really doesn't matter when they've clearly quit on the coach who is so horrible he can't find a way to get them to come out and compete after 6 embarrassing losses, not one loss has been a well played game that they just came up short, every loss has been more grotesque than the last and it's not going to stop, he should've been fired in May then again a couple of weeks ago, this season is over if he isn't fired
- KreiderBomb

Did you and all others hear A.V. on the post game say, "you can't win in the NHL by playing 40 minutes"? He doesn't even know to simply say that, "you must play 60 minutes (minimum) to win". So should they play 45:00 in their next game, but lose again, what would be his latest new words he will use then?
He can't get his team in key, either prepared for starts through some or most of the 1st period, or to close out games as in that series loss to Ottawa last postseason. The telling stat of that series loss was that including OT time, though the first 5 games (of the 6 game series), the Rangers had the lead for 179:52 in total time, or the score was tied for 136:20, with Ottawa having the lead for only 13:10 in total time combined in the first 5 games. But yet, Ottawa was ahead 3 games to 2, before winning the series in Game #6.

go on tommy boy. You don't like the idea of a prospect over Nuge?
- bikeguy99

Nope. I'm all in this rebuild for the Rangers. If the Rangers want value in return they have players on the Rooster that can get it out other than Nash.

Posted my comment below in other blog comments, but ill add about Krieder. I think we unfortunately have him at the wrong time in his career. IF he eventually finds his consistent game it will only happen with a wake up call in his career, like a trade.

My knee jerk reaction to this start is to be angry and want AV fired and trades to happen to send a message.

Thinking about it though, rebuild on the fly, or sometimes organizations say retool just dont exist. Is this season going to suck? Absolutely. However this team has been playoff nobodies in 05-06 to Eastern Conf champs for 12 years now. Its time to let this era run its course this year and honestly maybe even next year if it means the start of the next era.

If the Yankees can do it then the Rangers can do it. This day in age in sports with tanking and the like it doesnt matter anymore if its NY or not.

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Kreider is a really interesting name for Edmonton but how are they getting him? He won't be cheap. He shouldn't be cheap

So glad I was at a wedding last night.

Posted my comment below in other blog comments, but ill add about Krieder. I think we unfortunately have him at the wrong time in his career. IF he eventually finds his consistent game it will only happen with a wake up call in his career, like a trade.

My knee jerk reaction to this start is to be angry and want AV fired and trades to happen to send a message.

Thinking about it though, rebuild on the fly, or sometimes organizations say retool just dont exist. Is this season going to suck? Absolutely. However this team has been playoff nobodies in 05-06 to Eastern Conf champs for 12 years now. Its time to let this era run its course this year and honestly maybe even next year if it means the start of the next era.

If the Yankees can do it then the Rangers can do it. This day in age in sports with tanking and the like it doesnt matter anymore if its NY or not.
- AmazingSav

In Baseball it's so different. The only thing guys like Severino and Tanaka cost was cost was money. When the Yankees lost Roberston to the white sox, they yankees recieved a 1st round pick in return. Granted the Yankees drafted well, but they got better quickly by trading guys like Miller and Chapman. The Rangers can only draft better if they are bad and if they make trades.

Tough to blame Pavalec for last night, not that you did Jan, I was just generalizing. But he rebound control is less than idea. The 4th goal was a prime example. But again ,tough to lay all the blame on him when he was getting out-shot 33-16, with no defensive effort in front of him. It's amazing that with the departure of Dan Girardi and Derek Stepan, that Ryan Mcdoangh has seemingly forgotten how to play hockey. Yet here we are.

As for anyone who believe this season for the Rangers, here are a couple of sites that might mildly entertain you.

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl
http://nhllotterysimulator.com/

Note: NHL Lottery Simulator is little less in quality.
- tomburton99

First, on Montreal's first goal, a Habs player appeared to be offsides by a few feet on their right boards side as the play entered the rangers zone. Michelletti questioned it, but nothing was later said, even by Valliquette during the 1st Period intermission. That talk was in key on how the Rangers didn't show up, in being out shot 19-2 in SOG, without even recording one in that final 13:02 of the first. A.V. didn't even challenge the goal, upon talk with his own video crew.
On the GW Goal, Pavelec actually gave up rebounds on two separate occasions, the first of which was his fault alone. On Danault's GWG, Danault first had gotten off a slow backhand shot completely on the ice only, from the outside circle at the boards to Pavelec's left side, which Pavelec should have handled better in either directing the puck to the corner boards, or even control with his stick, to stop play. But the rebound got away, and seconds later led to the shot from the middle about 40 feet straight out, which Pavelec made the left pad save on, but couldn't control that rebound in being much tougher than that first backhand shot to control. That's when Danault, after taking that initial backhand shot, was behind the goal line to Pavelec's left side, and was able to get away from Nash to put the rebound of the 40 feet away shot in for the GWG.

In Baseball it's so different. The only thing guys like Severino and Tanaka cost was cost was money. When the Yankees lost Roberston to the white sox, they yankees recieved a 1st round pick in return. Granted the Yankees drafted well, but they got better quickly by trading guys like Miller and Chapman. The Rangers can only draft better if they are bad and if they make trades.
- tomburton99

Point was more highlighting the excuse of a NY team cant have a losing team in order to build for the future is nonsense nowadays.

First, on Montreal's first goal, a Habs player appeared to be offsides by a few feet on their right boards side as the play entered the rangers zone. Michelletti questioned it, but nothing was later said, even by Valliquette during the 1st Period intermission. That talk was in key on how the Rangers didn't show up, in being out shot 19-2 in SOG, without even recording one in that final 13:02 of the first. A.V. didn't even challenge the goal, upon talk with his own video crew.
On the GW Goal, Pavelec actually gave up rebounds on two separate occasions, the first of which was his fault alone. On Danault's GWG, Danault first had gotten off a slow backhand shot completely on the ice only, from the outside circle at the boards to Pavelec's left side, which Pavelec should have handled better in either directing the puck to the corner boards, or even control with his stick, to stop play. But the rebound got away, and seconds later led to the shot from the middle about 40 feet straight out, which Pavelec made the left pad save on, but couldn't control that rebound in being much tougher than that first backhand shot to control. That's when Danault, after taking that initial backhand shot, was behind the goal line to Pavelec's left side, and was able to get away from Nash to put the rebound of the 40 feet away shot in for the GWG.
- RangerSaver

Guy in front all alone. Pavelec makes two saves, let me know when you see Staal or Holden doing their job.

Point was more highlighting the excuse of a NY team cant have a losing team in order to build for the future is nonsense nowadays.
- AmazingSav

Oh I agree. The difference is I think most fans watching the Rangers now are conceding this yer. In hockey rebuilds need to take time. The Yankees did it quicker than normal because they got career years from Judge and Sanchez.

With James Dolan's current Knicks team, he does not want to also see MSG void of any Rangers playoff games as well. That's where the worry comes in with him possibly demanding Gorton to make something happen at once, before it's too late.
That immediate thing MUST ONLY BE, IN KEY, replacing A.V., Arniel, and possibly Ruff, who appears lost as well here, unless it is due to him being with A.V. & Arniel behind the bench. The players are at a loss under A.V. now. One or two big trades are not going to repair the issues here, and can greater instead, set this franchise back for another 5 years minimum, should it involve dealing their top future players here, or also including top picks or prospects in exchange.
When's enough, enough, with A.V. and Arniel here? Since their 37-18-1 peak of last season after their 6th straight season's high win on Feb. 13th, the team went 11-10-5 for its balance. With this one's horrible 3-7-2 start, they are now 14-17-7 since last Feb. 13th, for only 14 wins in their last 38 regular season games.
Last season's Eastern 2nd Wild Card spot required 95 points. If assuming 96 points will be the minimum this postseason, and should the Rangers match last season's 6 OTL's, (although on a pace currently for 14 OTL's), that would require them going 42-24-4 in their final 70 games. That's not happening under this coaching staff, in addition to Gorton not doing his job well enough either, especially with the holes at center.
If a coaching staff change is made immediately, but does not dramatically improve their playoff hopes come December 1st, then a gradual season's sell off through the trade deadline must follow immediately thereafter, with as close to a possible TOTAL YOUNG REBUILD being the plan.
- RangerSaver

Dolan better start scheduling concerts before MSG turns into a morgue next summer

Guy in front all alone. Pavelec makes two saves, let me know when you see Staal or Holden doing their job.
- tomburton99

Staal-Holden is a thing again, Dahlin